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Page 2, Genesee & Wyoming Railroad
Genesee
& Wyoming Railroad
First,
a clarification.
there
is a difference between the Genesee & Wyoming Railroad, and
the Genesee & Wyoming Corporation!
they
are related, but not exactly the same thing.
The
G&W Railroad is that small Western NY salt-hauling railroad that
ran
between Retsof and Caledonia, NY,
only
14.5 miles long, and began in 1894. That small railroad is the topic of
this webpage!
That
tiny ancestral Genesee & Wyoming Railroad was the first railroad in
todays global G&W corporation "family" of shortlines all over the
world!
"G&W Orange", that began on the G&W railroad, can today be seen
on railroads all over the world..it all started with a salt mine in
Retsof,
NY.
And
ironically, the original G&W Railroad no longer exists as one of
the
many shortlines in the G&W Corp family of railroads! the original
G&W
was folded into the Rochester & Southern system around 2002/2003.
the
R&S is another "G&W family" railroad.
So
the G&W railroad is gone, but the G&W Corporation and its
collection
of shortlines lives on.
Another
bit of trivia, that could cause some confusion...
Normally
all the "G&W Family" lines locomotives get lettered with their
respective
railroad name,
such
as "Rochester
& Southern" or "Buffalo
& Pittsburg" or "Huron
Central" etc.
with
"R&S" or "B&P or "HC" in the logo.
and
the only locomotives that actually said "Genesee & Wyoming" and
wore
a "G&W" in the logo
were
the actualGenesee
& Wyoming units of Western NY.
made
sense! easy to follow..
But
today, even though the original G&W RR of Western NY is gone, the
G&W
Corporation has been lettering locomotives with "Genesee & Wyoming"
in places such as Australia!
I
dont know what the story is there..
But
this page, history, and locomotive roster will be concerned only with
the
G&W shortline of NY state.
The
original
Genesee & Wyoming!
If
its in Australia, it wont be on this roster!
G&W
history and timeline:
1859
- Oil is discovered in Titusville, PA
1878
- A drilling team, moving into south-west NY looking for more oil
deposits,
instead uncovers a large salt deposit in Wyoming county.
Amatuer geologist Carrol Coker, having knowledge of salt deposits at
Syracuse,
and a knowledge of rock
formations, concludes that more salt formations can likely be found in
Livingston county, just west of the Genesee River.
Coker convinces Western NY financier William Foster Jr. to invest in a
drilling project, and the huge salt deposit at
Retsof is discovered.
Later, in the 1880's, as a town grew around the salt mining operation,
the town of Retsof is incorporated.
"Retsof" is "Foster" spelled backwards, named after William Foster, Jr.
1891
- The Genesee & Wyoming Valley Railway is incorporated.
The first railroad route runs East from the mine, 2.5 miles, to connect
with the WNY&P Railroad. (later the PRR Rochester branch)
1891
- A second route is laid from Retsof 1.5 miles westward, to the
interchange
with the DL&W at Greigsville.
1894
- The Third route, commonly considered the "G&W mainline" opens
between
Retsof & P&L Junction. (Caledonia)
10.7 miles north from Retsof.
The G&W is the 5th and last railroad to arrive at P&L Junction,
The Erie, NYC, LV and BR&P
are already there. The G&W will also interchange with two other
major
eastern Class-1 systems on
the southern, Retsof end, the DL&W and the PRR. And the G&W
also
interchanged with the shortline Halite & Northern,
which hauled salt from the Sterling mine in Cuylerville north to Retsof.
1895
- April 1 - the northern line officially opens, the G&W.V. is now
hauling
salt to six different Class1 railroads on 14 miles of track.
1899
- March 24, the Genesee & Wyoming Valley Railway becomes the
Genesee & Wyoming Railway.
The G&W.V. was regorganized and sold to the Fuller family, who had
owned the salt mine since 1890.
Members of the Fuller family are still listed as company officers in
1970,
75 years later!
1912
- G&W leases the Halite & Northern Railroad, which runs from
the
Sterling salt mine at Cuylerville, north to Retsof.
now the G&W runs between P&L junction, through Retsof, and
south
to Cuylerville.
This move brings down the wrath of the mighty PRR onto the tiny
G&W.
The PRR is upset that it will lose exclusive
access to the Sterling mine. The PRR took the G&W to court, arguing
that the G&W and H&N should not be
considered common carriers, and instead should be considered switching
roads only, and thus should not participate
in through rates on commodities. If the PRR had won, it would have been
the end of the G&W..but the case went
all the way to the Supreme Court, and the G&W won! giving the
G&W
legal status as a Class-2 common carrier.
1929
- G&W ends passenger service.
1932
- The BR&P becomes part of the B&O system.
1934
- G&W abandons the former Halite & Northern between Retsof and
Cuylerville.
The G&W shrinks back to its original route, P&L junction to
Retsof/Greigsville/Retsof
Junction.
1938
- First abandonment of a Class-1 route in the area. NYC Peanut
abandoned
between Holcomb and Caledonia.
(east out of Caledonia)
1944
- The diesel era begins with the arrival of GE 80 ton switcher #20.
Followed
by #21 and #22 in 1945.
the G&W continued the same number sequence from the steam era into
the diesel era..quite unusual.
1945
- Last steam operations on the G&W.
1952
- First Alco RS1 arrives.
1961
- G&W begins aquiring its own salt hoppers.
1962
- the G&W's original route, Retsof to Retsof Junction and the PRR
interchange,
is abandoned when the PRR
abandones it's line.
1968
- G&W purchases Business car "Edward I" from the New Haven.
1972
- B&O becomes Chessie System.
1976
- EL and LV are absorbed into Conrail. LV and EL tracks abandoned at
P&L
junction.
1976-1985
- The D&H interchanges with the G&W via trackage rights on
Conrail,
running on the former
DL&W mainline between North Alexander and Greigsville.
1980
- The current "G&W Family" paint scheme, seen globally today, is
first
worn by new MP15DC's #45 and #46.
1982
- June, G&W takes over the former Conrail trackage (originally
DL&W
mainline) between Greigsville
and the DMM connection at Groveland.
1982
- G&W corporation begins to aquire other shortlines.
1982
- Conrail abandons the former NYC Peanut between Caledonia and Batavia.
(West out of P&L junction)
Leaving the G&W with only two connections..Chessie system at
P&L
junction, running on the old BR&P/B&O,
and the Conrail/D&H connection at Greigsville, on the old DL&W.
1985
- Chessie sells the former BR&P/B&O from Rochester to Silver
Springs
to the new Rochester & Southern
shortline, which is a new "G&W Family" line.
1985
- Conrail abandons the former DL&W from Greigsville west to North
Alexander.
Leaving the G&W with only one remaining connection to the outside
world,
the new R&S at P&L junction.
1985
- G&W aquires the DMM, the G&W reaches its largest size,
extending
from P&L Junction south to Dansville.
about 34 miles.
1994
- March 12, a magnitude 3.6 earthquake rumbles under Livingston County,
beginning the flooding and eventual collapse
and loss of the Retsof salt mine..the very reason for the G&W's
existance
for the last100 years.
could this be the end for the G&W? not quite!
1998
- 4 years after the loss of the Retsof mine, construction begins on the
new Hampton Corners salt mine, located
about 10 miles away just east of Mount Morris. (this is the large salt
mile visable right alongside Route 390 near Mount Morris.)
the
G&W builds a new
spur from the abandoned DL&W Mount
Morris passenger station over the new mine..
the
G&W is back
in
business hauling salt again!
1999
- The G&W is 100 years old!, and is one of very few railroads to
operate
as the same independant railroad
throughout the entire 20th Century.
2002
- or 2003, exact date still uncertain..the G&W Railroad is absorbed
in the Rochester & Southern system.
ending the 103 year history of the G&W Railroad as an independant
entity.
The R&S now extends from Greece, NY at the north end, south through
Rochester to Brooks ave yard,
to P&L junction where the line splits - one route to Retsof, Mount
Morris and Dansville, (original G&W)
and the original "R&S Mainline" to the NS interchange at Silver
Springs.
(see system map on the R&S page)
2006
- January 31, 2006 - American
Motive Power (AMP) recieves its first locomotive at the former
Foster-Wheeler
plant in Dansville! Keeping the former DMM, and the southern end of the
G&W/R&S alive.
AMP rebuilds locomotives. in 2006 and 2007, dozens of older
locomotives have been rebuilt there, here is a small
sampling. (goto page 2 for photos)
2007
- Bringing us up to today..Salt continues to move north on the old
G&W
tracks, as it has for the last 116 years.
and old locomotives are hauled south to Dansville to be reborn.
The last seven G&W locos, 45,46,50,51,1000,1001, and 1002, all
remain
working for the R&S, and so far,
none of the remaining G&W locos have been repainted with a R&S
logo!
all 7 still retain their G&W markings, and 5 of the 7 are in
G&W
orange. (all except #50 and #1002)
For such a tiny railroad, (only 11 miles long), the G&W directly interchanged
with an amazing number of Class 1 systems during its history!
LVRR
Erie
DL&W
PRR
New York Central
BR&P
B&O
Chessie System
D&H
Penn Central
EL
CSX
Conrail
Those railroads represent virtually the entire history of
North East railroading of the 20th century..
and G&W directly connected with them all..
How many 11 mile long railroads can say the same??
G&W
All Time Roster and Surviving Locomotives.
The
G&W owned a total of 39 locomotives
during its 103 year history.
18
steam locomotives,
and
21 diesels.
one
steam locomotive survives,
and
17 diesels are known surviving.
Steam
Roster:
Photo
Road
No.
Wheel
Arr.
Builder
Year
Built
C/N #
Status
Heritage
Notes
1
0-6-0T
Baldwin
1891
disposition
sold 1892
unknown
2
0-4-0
Baldwin
1892
disposition
Listed as being from two sources:
unknown
C/N 12762 built 6/92 for the Niagara
Falls
&
River Railway #1, or the Owasso River #2,
C/N 12762 in 6/92
3
0-4-0
Baldwin
9/1893
13725
disposition
nee G&W #3
unknown
sold to Buffalo Union Furnace Co.
10/1908
4
4-4-0
Baldwin
1884
13725
scrapped
nee Lehigh Valley 239
returned in 1898, possibly on lease
only.
5
2-6-0
Dickson
3/9/1883
410
disposition
unknown.
nee
D&H 194
named "Cooperstown"
to D&H 172
to G&W 5
see
* Note 5
6
4-4-0
LVRR
1888
scrapped
nee Lehigh Valley #190.
19X24-56
aquired by G&W in 1903
scrapped 1909
7
2-6-0
Alco
4/1905
30988
disposition
nee G&W #7
18X24-56
Schen
unknown
sold 1913 to Birmhamton Rail &
Loco Co.
resold to Alexandria & Western RR,
Garden City, LA
8
2-6-0
Alco
4/1906
39908
disposition
nee G&W #8
18X24-50
Pitts
unknown
sold 1920 to Southern Iron &
Equipment Co.
Atlanta, GA
resold to Ursina & North Fork RR
#8, re#16.
T.T. Tabor 1111 says built as 2-6-2
but rebuilt.
9
2-6-0
Baldwin
7/1910
34964
survives!
see *note #1 below for details.
Chattanooga, TN
10
2-8-0
Pitts
3/1900
2075
disposition
nee P&LE #145, re#3922
20X26-50
unknown
to Mongahelia RR #7
to Mac-Dougal Const Co, before or
after
sale to G&W?
11
2-8-0
Brooks
11/1898
3084
disposition
nee BR&P 206, built as a 4-8-0
20X26-50
unknown
rebuilt as 2-8-0 by BR&P DuBois
shops
and sold to G&W.
12
2-6-0
Porter
1/1916
5775
scrapped
nee G&W #12
69 tons
scrapped at Retsof, 1956
20X24-50
14
4-6-0
Baldwin
5/1894
14018
scrapped 1923
nee Buffalo
& Susquehanna #111,
18X24-56
Arcade, NY
Renumbured B&S
107:1,124:1,154:1,104
to Wellsville & Buffalo #104 in
2/1915;
to Genesee & Wyoming #14 in 1917;
to General Equipment Company #0;
to Arcade and Attica #4 in 1922.
15
2-6-0
see *note#2
1905
disposition
see *note #2 below.
unknown
16
2-6-0
Porter
2/1920
6455
scrapped
nee G&W
69 tons
rebuilt 1936
20X26-50
scrapped at Retsof, 1956
17
2-6-0
Porter
2/1920
6619
scrapped
nee G&W
69 tons
standby until 1956
20X26-50
scrapped circa 1959
18
2-6-0
Porter
12/1922
6762
scrapped
nee G&W
69 tons
sold 1/53 to General Crushed Stone,
Leroy, NY
20X26-50
used by GCS 1956-1962
scrapped circa 1967.
19
2-6-0
Porter
1/1923
6796
scrapped
nee G&W
69 tons
scrapped at Retsof, circa 1959
20X26-50
Diesel
Roster:
Photo
Road
No.
Model
Yr.
Built
Serial
#
Status
Location
Current
Paint
Heritage
Notes
20
GE
80ton
7/1944
27567
derelict
McDonald,
OH
nee
G&W 20 - 1944
sold to Hunkin-Conkey Const Co (Cleveland OH) - 1962
to Birmingham Rail & Loco Co. 1986 (broker)
to Standard Slag Co. Lordstown, OH
to Lafarge Corp (Lordstown OH)
to Penn Ohio Logistics (McDonald OH)
to LTEX (Larry's Truck Equipment) currently derelict
(thanks to Charles Woolever for the detailed history!)
21
GE 80ton
8/1945
28235
unknown
nee G&W
21 - 1945
to
Consumers Power Co., Jackson,
Mo. 1960's
22
GE
80ton
11/1945
28325
operating.
Byesville,
OH
BSRW
red/black
nee
G&W
22 - 1945
to
Eli Lilly Pharmacutical
Co. Lafayette,
IN. 1960's to Logansport & EelRiver
82 to
Ohio Central 82 to Byesville Scenic
386, Ohio. (2006) (thanks to David Baer for "finding" #22!)
25
Alco
RS1
1/1952
79580
scrapped
nee
G&W 25 - 1952
(40)
Re#
to G&W 40
to
Bay Colony Railroad #1064,
sold 1989.
BCRR
removed the engine,
and sold the hulk
to
Green Mountain, 10/96,
GM used the trucks,
and
scrapped the rest.
30
Alco
RS1
5/1955
81345
operating.
Hartford,
CT
CCRR
black
nee
G&W 30 - 1955
was
G&W
(41)
Re#
to G&W 41
Bicentennial
unit
1976
(1976)
Re#
to G&W 1976 in 1976,
Bicentennial paint.
Re#
back to G&W 30
to
Cape Cod RR #30
to
Central New England RR #30
Privately
owned.
42
Alco
RS1
11/1948
76212
operating.
Hartford,
CT
New
Haven
nee
New Haven #0670 - 1948
to
G&W 42 - 1/1964
stored
at Retsof, 8/20/89
sold
to Cape Cod Railroad,
Hyannis, MA.
to
Central New England RR
#0670
43
Alco
RS1
10/1949
77147
unknown
nee
Chicago & Western
Indiana #256 - 1949
To
G&W 43.
Sold in 1981 to Jersey Central
Terminal RR.
44
Alco
RS1
2/1950
77847
preserved
Industry,
NY
Kodak
nee
Chicago & Western
Indiana #260 - 1950
Preserved
at the
to G&W 44
R&GVRRM as EK 9.
to Eastman Kodak #9, 1971
Donated to the R&GVRRM in 1997 by
Kodak.
35
Alco S4
6/1959
82008
OOS - stored
Sodus, NY
GW Orange
nee G&W 35.
to Connecticut Central 35
Currently Ontario Midland #35.
36
Alco S4
11/1953
80941
operating
Sodus, NY
OMID black
nee P&LE 8655.
was G&W
(1776)
to NYC 8655
Bicentennial unit 1776
to G&W 36
Re#
to G&W 1776 in 1976,
Bicentennial paint.
Re# back to G&W 36
to Connecticut Central 36
Currently Ontario Midland #3
45
EMD MP15DC
1980
769350-1
operating
R&S system
GW Orange
nee G&W 45 - 1980
First units to wear the current
46
EMD MP15DC
1980
769350-2
operating
R&S system
GW Orange
nee G&W 46 - 1980
G&W family paintscheme.
47
EMD SW1500
12/1969
35293 ?
operating
York, PA
GW Orange
nee Houston Belt & Terminal #50.
W&P merged into PNWR
35296 ?
to G&W 47 - 5/1985
in 2000. (Albany, Oregon)
to Willamette & Pacific 1551 (a
G&W line)
in 1996.
The
saga of G&W #9!
I just did some serious digging on
G&W
#9..what a life she has led!
1910-1918 -
G&W 9
started out as G&W #9, built by
Baldwin
in 1910.
to Southern Iron & Equipment Co.
(dealer)
#1498, in 1918
1919-1929 -
Brooklyn Cooperage
Co. #16
to Brooklyn Cooperage Co. #16, in
1919
1929-1938 -
Tennessee &
North Carolina #206
to Birmingham Rail & Locomotive
Co.
(dealer) (Alabama) in 8/1929.
to Tennessee & North Carolina
#206,
in 1929
1938-1961 -
Smokey Mountain
#206
to Smokey Mountain #206, in 1938.
1961-1973
Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, TN:
to Rebel Railroad 206, Gatlinburg,
TN.
1961. ("Rebel Railroad" was not an actual railroad, it was a theme
park)
to Grover Robbins of Pigeon Forge,
TN,
in 1964.
1966- Rebel Railroad theme park
renamed
"Goldrush
Junction"
1969 - Goldrush Junction bought by
the
Cleveland Browns football team.
1973-today
1973 - #206 left the tourist traps.
(after that, Rebel Railroad-Goldrush
junction
contined to evolve, and is today "Dollywood")
and finally, in 1973, she stopped
her
rambles and settled down at the
Chattanooga Choo Choo Holiday Inn,
in
Chattanooga, TN, where she is still on display today as "number 29"
done up in a hideous "back dating"
in
an attempt to convince tourists she is the ACTUAL, the original,
"Chattanooga
Choo Choo" from the famous Glenn Miller 1941 song..which she obviously
isnt.
(I found several webages claiming
#29
is the original "choo choo")
actually..the song was about a
passenger
train, the first Cincinnati Southern Railway passenger train into
Chattanooga,
in 1880. not one specific locomotive.
Pardon me, boy
Is that the Chattanooga choo choo?
Track twenty-nine
Boy, you can give me a shine
its hilarious that the song says
the train
leaves from "track 29"..
so they gave the LOCOMOTIVE number
29!
ugh..
Here she is as Brooklyn Cooperage
Co. #16,
in 1919
and finally..here she is today..
comparing the current photos to
Brooklyn
Cooperage Co. #16, its clearly her..
warning, you may find these images
disturbing!
well..at least she is still with
us!
thats something anyway..cant
complain
about that!
sure beats the alternative..
Scot
*Note
2.
There is some conflicting info on
the
heritage of G&W #15.
One source, the G&W booklet from
1970,
says she was built in France and worked on the Panama Canal
before coming to the G&W.
originally
5-foot gauge and regauged.
A second source, also from the
G&W,
the roster collected from the G&W by Charles Woolever, says:
2-6-0, built Alco-Schen, c/n 38178,
1905,
19X26-54. Built for Panama R.R. # 105 as 2-6-4T and 5-foot gauge.
resold to A.B. Shaw (D) in 1905,
Chicago,
IL, and rebuilt to Std gauge, resold same year to G&W.
The second source also seems to
imply the
loco probably never actually worked on the Panama canal,
but was built for the canal
railroad,
in 1905, never went to the canal (for an unknown reason) and was
instead
rebuilt/regauged in 1905 and went to the G&W.
The data from the 2nd G&W
source is
likely correct, but I wanted to give all the known data anyway.
We have no known photo of #15.
*note 3
"Ex-Minnesota Commercial C424M’s 62
&
63(Ex- D&H 462 & 463, G&W 62 & 63, nee-EL 2405 &
2408)
is reported as stored at National Railway Equipment.
Future doesn’t look bright for
these
Alcos, probably will be stripped for parts."
-John Komanesky
There
were also several diesels that the G&W technically owned, but were
never on the active G&W roster:
Alco
S2 - built 1/49 - c/n 76588 - nee Port Huron & Detroit #60 -
aquired
8/1985, sold 5/1986 to KY-TN Ry / E D&W #24
Alco S4 - built 8/56 - c/n 81866 - nee B&O #9084, then
Port Huron
& Detroit #62 - aquired 8/1985, sold 3/1986 to Seaside RR
DMM
#1 and #2 technically belonged to the G&W in 1985/86, until they
were
sold in late '86. never received G&W reporting marks or
numbers.
Alco
RS1 - nee Chicago & West Indiana #262, aquired
1970's,
used for spare parts only. - scrapped.
Alco
RS1 - nee NYS&W #233:2, used for
spare
parts only - scrapped
*note 4
The true heritage of G&W 1001.
I originally had the
heritage information for G&W 1001 listed incorrectly (and so does
every online G&W roster.)
She had been listed as: Builders number
73623-24 nee Reading Railroad
2624 to CR 9424
to G&W 1001
that is Wrong!
She was frame checked..her correct heritage is actually:
Builders number 73623-17
nee Reading Railroad 2617
to CR 9417
to G&W 1001
currently operating on the Rochester & Southern at the Hampton
Corners, NY salt mine.
So
where is the real Reading 2624?
she is ALSO owned by the G&W!
and has also been recently
frame checked! which confirms:
Builders number 73623-24
nee Reading Railroad 2624
to CR 9424
to Savannah Port Terminal 1003 (a G&W family line.) link.
to RLIX 1003
currently operating with Savannah
Port Terminal in Georgia.
So..two
independant frame checks, both confirm the numbers above..
which definately confirms that G&W 1001 is 73623-17, NOT 73623-24.
*note 5
Concerning
G&W steam locomotive No. 5
I originially had G&W number 5 listed as a 4-4-0, and listed as
a 4-4-0, and as Dickson b/n 272.
that is now believed to be incorrect..
G&W No. 5 was most likely a 2-6-0, and Dickson b/n 410.
Originally D&H 194, named "Cooperstown"
Hey everyone,
I have recieved some new data about G&W number 5.
I had her listed as a 4-4-0, but new data suggests she was most likely
a 2-6-0.
(I have never seen a photo of this locomotive.)
I have copies of three different hand-typed rosters, all probably
written long before the age of the internet:
Roster 1:
5 4-4-0 Dickson 272 9/1880 18x24" 55 3/4" ex D&H Canal Co. (Penna.
Div. #37 "John B. Smith")
that roster says "Courtesy of W.L. Reddy and H.L. Goldsmith"
and was probably written in the early 1960's, because it stops with
locomotive No. 35.
Roster 2:
5 2-6-0 Dick 1880 272 ex D&H
(no source or date information)
Roster 3:
5 4-4-0 Dickson 272 9/1880 Orig Deleware & Hudson Canal Co #38
(no source or date information)
I copied the text on those three exactly as they are typed..including
"Deleware"
Those three rosters conflict in two areas..
4-4-0 vs. 2-6-0
and D&H #37 vs. D&H #38.
They all agree on Dickson as the builder, b/n 272, and a build date of
1880...
however all of that could be incorrect..
I recieved an email from Chris Shepard, a former co-worker of mine, and
a member of the Bridge Line Historical Society (D&H) out in Albany,
and Chris has some D&H and Builders records that show that G&W
Number 5 was most likely a 2-6-0, not a 4-4-0.
also, "John B. Smith" AND Dickson b/n 272 as G&W Number 5 is
possibly incorrect..
here are some records on the John B. Smith, Dickson b/n 272:
Loco_Count: 159
1st_Builder: Dickson Locomotive Works
2nd_Builder:
3rd_Builder:
1st_Build_Num: 272
2nd_Build_Num: 0
3rd_Build_Num: 0
Date_Built: 1880-09-28
1st_Date_Rebuilt: 0000-00-00
2nd_Date_Rebuilt: 0000-00-00
3rd_Date_Rebuilt: 0000-00-00
Date_Received: 0000-00-00
Date_Off_Roster: 1907-00-00
1st_Wheel: 2-6-0
2nd_Wheel:
Sold_To:
Former_Railroad:
Final_Num: 128
6th_Num: 0
5th_Num: 0
4th_Num: 0
3rd_Num: 0
2nd_Num: 128
1st_Num: 37
Engine_Name: John B. Smith
Final_Class:
3rd_Class:
2nd_Class:
1st_Class: B
Notes: Renumbered #129, 1899-00-00, off roster by 1907-00-00
If it actually left the D&H in 1907, that doesnt quite jive with
the G&W timeline..
because G&W bought their number 7 in 1905..so it doesnt make sense
the G&W would have bought number 7 in 1905,
then two years later get number 5 in 1907! all indications are the
G&W numbered every locomotive consecutively, as they arrived.
although it also says "off the roster by 1907"..which impiles it could
have left before 1907.
Chris thinks this could be our G&W Number 5 instead:
Both Dickson locos are clearly 2-6-0's, so I think its safe to conclude
the 4-4-0 info for G&W No. 5 is simply wrong..
which casts doubt on the rest of info for #5 in those rosters..
(if they didnt even get the wheel arrangement right, its likely the
rest of the data is also wrong)
Chris is quite confidant his D&H info is accurate, its all from
Bridge Line HS D&H records...
so im more inclined to trust the D&H info, rather than the old
hand-typed G&W rosters..
although without an actual photo, we cant be 100% confidant on anything
quite yet..
What we really need is a photo of G&W 5, then photos of the two
D&H locos in question!
thats unlikely..but possible..
So thats where things stand right now..
thoughts anyone?