Welcome to the Genesee & Wyoming
all-time oster and surviving locomotives page.
Page 2, Genesee & Wyoming Railroad
& Wyoming Railroad
is a difference between the Genesee & Wyoming Railroad, and
the Genesee & Wyoming Corporation!
are related, but not exactly the same thing.
G&W Railroad is that small Western NY salt-hauling railroad that
between Retsof and Caledonia, NY,
14.5 miles long, and began in 1894. That small railroad is the topic of
tiny ancestral Genesee & Wyoming Railroad was the first railroad in
todays global G&W corporation "family" of shortlines all over the
"G&W Orange", that began on the G&W railroad, can today be seen
on railroads all over the world..it all started with a salt mine in
ironically, the original G&W Railroad no longer exists as one of
many shortlines in the G&W Corp family of railroads! the original
was folded into the Rochester & Southern system around 2002/2003.
R&S is another "G&W family" railroad.
the G&W railroad is gone, but the G&W Corporation and its
of shortlines lives on.
bit of trivia, that could cause some confusion...
all the "G&W Family" lines locomotives get lettered with their
& Southern" or "Buffalo
& Pittsburg" or "Huron
"R&S" or "B&P or "HC" in the logo.
the only locomotives that actually said "Genesee & Wyoming" and
a "G&W" in the logo
& Wyoming units of Western NY.
sense! easy to follow..
today, even though the original G&W RR of Western NY is gone, the
Corporation has been lettering locomotives with "Genesee & Wyoming"
in places such as Australia!
dont know what the story is there..
this page, history, and locomotive roster will be concerned only with
G&W shortline of NY state.
Genesee & Wyoming!
its in Australia, it wont be on this roster!
history and timeline:
- Oil is discovered in Titusville, PA
- A drilling team, moving into south-west NY looking for more oil
instead uncovers a large salt deposit in Wyoming county.
Amatuer geologist Carrol Coker, having knowledge of salt deposits at
and a knowledge of rock
formations, concludes that more salt formations can likely be found in
Livingston county, just west of the Genesee River.
Coker convinces Western NY financier William Foster Jr. to invest in a
drilling project, and the huge salt deposit at
Retsof is discovered.
Later, in the 1880's, as a town grew around the salt mining operation,
the town of Retsof is incorporated.
"Retsof" is "Foster" spelled backwards, named after William Foster, Jr.
- The Genesee & Wyoming Valley Railway is incorporated.
The first railroad route runs East from the mine, 2.5 miles, to connect
with the WNY&P Railroad. (later the PRR Rochester branch)
- A second route is laid from Retsof 1.5 miles westward, to the
with the DL&W at Greigsville.
- The Third route, commonly considered the "G&W mainline" opens
Retsof & P&L Junction. (Caledonia)
10.7 miles north from Retsof.
The G&W is the 5th and last railroad to arrive at P&L Junction,
The Erie, NYC, LV and BR&P
are already there. The G&W will also interchange with two other
eastern Class-1 systems on
the southern, Retsof end, the DL&W and the PRR. And the G&W
interchanged with the shortline Halite & Northern,
which hauled salt from the Sterling mine in Cuylerville north to Retsof.
- April 1 - the northern line officially opens, the G&W.V. is now
salt to six different Class1 railroads on 14 miles of track.
- March 24, the Genesee & Wyoming Valley Railway becomes the
Genesee & Wyoming Railway.
The G&W.V. was regorganized and sold to the Fuller family, who had
owned the salt mine since 1890.
Members of the Fuller family are still listed as company officers in
75 years later!
- G&W leases the Halite & Northern Railroad, which runs from
Sterling salt mine at Cuylerville, north to Retsof.
now the G&W runs between P&L junction, through Retsof, and
This move brings down the wrath of the mighty PRR onto the tiny
The PRR is upset that it will lose exclusive
access to the Sterling mine. The PRR took the G&W to court, arguing
that the G&W and H&N should not be
considered common carriers, and instead should be considered switching
roads only, and thus should not participate
in through rates on commodities. If the PRR had won, it would have been
the end of the G&W..but the case went
all the way to the Supreme Court, and the G&W won! giving the
legal status as a Class-2 common carrier.
- G&W ends passenger service.
- The BR&P becomes part of the B&O system.
- G&W abandons the former Halite & Northern between Retsof and
The G&W shrinks back to its original route, P&L junction to
- First abandonment of a Class-1 route in the area. NYC Peanut
between Holcomb and Caledonia.
(east out of Caledonia)
- The diesel era begins with the arrival of GE 80 ton switcher #20.
by #21 and #22 in 1945.
the G&W continued the same number sequence from the steam era into
the diesel era..quite unusual.
- Last steam operations on the G&W.
- First Alco RS1 arrives.
- G&W begins aquiring its own salt hoppers.
- the G&W's original route, Retsof to Retsof Junction and the PRR
is abandoned when the PRR
abandones it's line.
- G&W purchases Business car "Edward I" from the New Haven.
- B&O becomes Chessie System.
- EL and LV are absorbed into Conrail. LV and EL tracks abandoned at
- The D&H interchanges with the G&W via trackage rights on
running on the former
DL&W mainline between North Alexander and Greigsville.
- The current "G&W Family" paint scheme, seen globally today, is
worn by new MP15DC's #45 and #46.
- June, G&W takes over the former Conrail trackage (originally
mainline) between Greigsville
and the DMM connection at Groveland.
- G&W corporation begins to aquire other shortlines.
- Conrail abandons the former NYC Peanut between Caledonia and Batavia.
(West out of P&L junction)
Leaving the G&W with only two connections..Chessie system at
junction, running on the old BR&P/B&O,
and the Conrail/D&H connection at Greigsville, on the old DL&W.
- Chessie sells the former BR&P/B&O from Rochester to Silver
to the new Rochester & Southern
shortline, which is a new "G&W Family" line.
- Conrail abandons the former DL&W from Greigsville west to North
Leaving the G&W with only one remaining connection to the outside
the new R&S at P&L junction.
- G&W aquires the DMM, the G&W reaches its largest size,
from P&L Junction south to Dansville.
about 34 miles.
- March 12, a magnitude 3.6 earthquake rumbles under Livingston County,
beginning the flooding and eventual collapse
and loss of the Retsof salt mine..the very reason for the G&W's
for the last100 years.
could this be the end for the G&W? not quite!
- 4 years after the loss of the Retsof mine, construction begins on the
new Hampton Corners salt mine, located
about 10 miles away just east of Mount Morris. (this is the large salt
mile visable right alongside Route 390 near Mount Morris.)
G&W builds a new
spur from the abandoned DL&W Mount
Morris passenger station over the new mine..
G&W is back
business hauling salt again!
- The G&W is 100 years old!, and is one of very few railroads to
as the same independant railroad
throughout the entire 20th Century.
- or 2003, exact date still uncertain..the G&W Railroad is absorbed
in the Rochester & Southern system.
ending the 103 year history of the G&W Railroad as an independant
The R&S now extends from Greece, NY at the north end, south through
Rochester to Brooks ave yard,
to P&L junction where the line splits - one route to Retsof, Mount
Morris and Dansville, (original G&W)
and the original "R&S Mainline" to the NS interchange at Silver
(see system map on the R&S page)
- January 31, 2006 - American
Motive Power (AMP) recieves its first locomotive at the former
plant in Dansville! Keeping the former DMM, and the southern end of the
AMP rebuilds locomotives. in 2006 and 2007, dozens of older
locomotives have been rebuilt there, here is a small
sampling. (goto page 2 for photos)
- Bringing us up to today..Salt continues to move north on the old
tracks, as it has for the last 116 years.
and old locomotives are hauled south to Dansville to be reborn.
The last seven G&W locos, 45,46,50,51,1000,1001, and 1002, all
working for the R&S, and so far,
none of the remaining G&W locos have been repainted with a R&S
all 7 still retain their G&W markings, and 5 of the 7 are in
orange. (all except #50 and #1002)
For such a tiny railroad, (only 11 miles long), the G&W directly interchanged
with an amazing number of Class 1 systems during its history!
New York Central
Those railroads represent virtually the entire history of
North East railroading of the 20th century..
and G&W directly connected with them all..
How many 11 mile long railroads can say the same??
All Time Roster and Surviving Locomotives.
G&W owned a total of 39 locomotives
during its 103 year history.
steam locomotive survives,
17 diesels are known surviving.
Listed as being from two sources:
C/N 12762 built 6/92 for the Niagara
River Railway #1, or the Owasso River #2,
C/N 12762 in 6/92
nee G&W #3
sold to Buffalo Union Furnace Co.
nee Lehigh Valley 239
returned in 1898, possibly on lease
to D&H 172
to G&W 5
* Note 5
nee Lehigh Valley #190.
aquired by G&W in 1903
nee G&W #7
sold 1913 to Birmhamton Rail &
resold to Alexandria & Western RR,
Garden City, LA
nee G&W #8
sold 1920 to Southern Iron &
resold to Ursina & North Fork RR
T.T. Tabor 1111 says built as 2-6-2
see *note #1 below for details.
nee P&LE #145, re#3922
to Mongahelia RR #7
to Mac-Dougal Const Co, before or
sale to G&W?
nee BR&P 206, built as a 4-8-0
rebuilt as 2-8-0 by BR&P DuBois
and sold to G&W.
nee G&W #12
scrapped at Retsof, 1956
& Susquehanna #111,
to Wellsville & Buffalo #104 in
to Genesee & Wyoming #14 in 1917;
to General Equipment Company #0;
to Arcade and Attica #4 in 1922.
see *note #2 below.
scrapped at Retsof, 1956
standby until 1956
scrapped circa 1959
sold 1/53 to General Crushed Stone,
used by GCS 1956-1962
scrapped circa 1967.
scrapped at Retsof, circa 1959
G&W 20 - 1944
sold to Hunkin-Conkey Const Co (Cleveland OH) - 1962
to Birmingham Rail & Loco Co. 1986 (broker)
to Standard Slag Co. Lordstown, OH
to Lafarge Corp (Lordstown OH)
to Penn Ohio Logistics (McDonald OH)
to LTEX (Larry's Truck Equipment) currently derelict
(thanks to Charles Woolever for the detailed history!)
21 - 1945
Consumers Power Co., Jackson,
22 - 1945
Eli Lilly Pharmacutical
IN. 1960's to Logansport & EelRiver
Ohio Central 82 to Byesville Scenic
386, Ohio. (2006) (thanks to David Baer for "finding" #22!)
G&W 25 - 1952
to G&W 40
Bay Colony Railroad #1064,
removed the engine,
and sold the hulk
Green Mountain, 10/96,
GM used the trucks,
scrapped the rest.
G&W 30 - 1955
to G&W 41
to G&W 1976 in 1976,
back to G&W 30
Cape Cod RR #30
Central New England RR #30
New Haven #0670 - 1948
G&W 42 - 1/1964
at Retsof, 8/20/89
to Cape Cod Railroad,
Central New England RR
Chicago & Western
Indiana #256 - 1949
Sold in 1981 to Jersey Central
Chicago & Western
Indiana #260 - 1950
to G&W 44
R&GVRRM as EK 9.
to Eastman Kodak #9, 1971
Donated to the R&GVRRM in 1997 by
OOS - stored
nee G&W 35.
to Connecticut Central 35
Currently Ontario Midland #35.
nee P&LE 8655.
to NYC 8655
Bicentennial unit 1776
to G&W 36
to G&W 1776 in 1976,
Re# back to G&W 36
to Connecticut Central 36
Currently Ontario Midland #3
nee G&W 45 - 1980
First units to wear the current
nee G&W 46 - 1980
G&W family paintscheme.
nee Houston Belt & Terminal #50.
W&P merged into PNWR
to G&W 47 - 5/1985
in 2000. (Albany, Oregon)
to Willamette & Pacific 1551 (a
saga of G&W #9!
I just did some serious digging on
#9..what a life she has led!
started out as G&W #9, built by
to Southern Iron & Equipment Co.
#1498, in 1918
to Brooklyn Cooperage Co. #16, in
North Carolina #206
to Birmingham Rail & Locomotive
(dealer) (Alabama) in 8/1929.
to Tennessee & North Carolina
to Smokey Mountain #206, in 1938.
Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, TN:
to Rebel Railroad 206, Gatlinburg,
1961. ("Rebel Railroad" was not an actual railroad, it was a theme
to Grover Robbins of Pigeon Forge,
1966- Rebel Railroad theme park
1969 - Goldrush Junction bought by
Cleveland Browns football team.
1973 - #206 left the tourist traps.
(after that, Rebel Railroad-Goldrush
contined to evolve, and is today "Dollywood")
and finally, in 1973, she stopped
rambles and settled down at the
Chattanooga Choo Choo Holiday Inn,
Chattanooga, TN, where she is still on display today as "number 29"
done up in a hideous "back dating"
an attempt to convince tourists she is the ACTUAL, the original,
Choo Choo" from the famous Glenn Miller 1941 song..which she obviously
(I found several webages claiming
is the original "choo choo")
actually..the song was about a
train, the first Cincinnati Southern Railway passenger train into
in 1880. not one specific locomotive.
Pardon me, boy
Is that the Chattanooga choo choo?
Boy, you can give me a shine
its hilarious that the song says
leaves from "track 29"..
so they gave the LOCOMOTIVE number
Here she is as Brooklyn Cooperage
and finally..here she is today..
comparing the current photos to
Cooperage Co. #16, its clearly her..
warning, you may find these images
well..at least she is still with
thats something anyway..cant
sure beats the alternative..
There is some conflicting info on
heritage of G&W #15.
One source, the G&W booklet from
says she was built in France and worked on the Panama Canal
before coming to the G&W.
5-foot gauge and regauged.
A second source, also from the
the roster collected from the G&W by Charles Woolever, says:
2-6-0, built Alco-Schen, c/n 38178,
19X26-54. Built for Panama R.R. # 105 as 2-6-4T and 5-foot gauge.
resold to A.B. Shaw (D) in 1905,
IL, and rebuilt to Std gauge, resold same year to G&W.
The second source also seems to
loco probably never actually worked on the Panama canal,
but was built for the canal
in 1905, never went to the canal (for an unknown reason) and was
rebuilt/regauged in 1905 and went to the G&W.
The data from the 2nd G&W
likely correct, but I wanted to give all the known data anyway.
We have no known photo of #15.
"Ex-Minnesota Commercial C424M’s 62
63(Ex- D&H 462 & 463, G&W 62 & 63, nee-EL 2405 &
is reported as stored at National Railway Equipment.
Future doesn’t look bright for
Alcos, probably will be stripped for parts."
were also several diesels that the G&W technically owned, but were
never on the active G&W roster:
S2 - built 1/49 - c/n 76588 - nee Port Huron & Detroit #60 -
8/1985, sold 5/1986 to KY-TN Ry / E D&W #24
Alco S4 - built 8/56 - c/n 81866 - nee B&O #9084, then
& Detroit #62 - aquired 8/1985, sold 3/1986 to Seaside RR
#1 and #2 technically belonged to the G&W in 1985/86, until they
sold in late '86. never received G&W reporting marks or
RS1 - nee Chicago & West Indiana #262, aquired
used for spare parts only. - scrapped.
RS1 - nee NYS&W #233:2, used for
parts only - scrapped
The true heritage of G&W 1001.
I originally had the
heritage information for G&W 1001 listed incorrectly (and so does
every online G&W roster.)
She had been listed as: Builders number
73623-24 nee Reading Railroad
2624 to CR 9424
to G&W 1001
that is Wrong!
She was frame checked..her correct heritage is actually:
Builders number 73623-17
nee Reading Railroad 2617
to CR 9417
to G&W 1001
currently operating on the Rochester & Southern at the Hampton
Corners, NY salt mine.
where is the real Reading 2624?
she is ALSO owned by the G&W!
and has also been recently
frame checked! which confirms:
Builders number 73623-24
nee Reading Railroad 2624
to CR 9424
to Savannah Port Terminal 1003 (a G&W family line.) link.
to RLIX 1003
currently operating with Savannah
Port Terminal in Georgia.
independant frame checks, both confirm the numbers above..
which definately confirms that G&W 1001 is 73623-17, NOT 73623-24.
G&W steam locomotive No. 5
I originially had G&W number 5 listed as a 4-4-0, and listed as
a 4-4-0, and as Dickson b/n 272.
that is now believed to be incorrect..
G&W No. 5 was most likely a 2-6-0, and Dickson b/n 410.
Originally D&H 194, named "Cooperstown"
I have recieved some new data about G&W number 5.
I had her listed as a 4-4-0, but new data suggests she was most likely
(I have never seen a photo of this locomotive.)
I have copies of three different hand-typed rosters, all probably
written long before the age of the internet:
5 4-4-0 Dickson 272 9/1880 18x24" 55 3/4" ex D&H Canal Co. (Penna.
Div. #37 "John B. Smith")
that roster says "Courtesy of W.L. Reddy and H.L. Goldsmith"
and was probably written in the early 1960's, because it stops with
locomotive No. 35.
5 2-6-0 Dick 1880 272 ex D&H
(no source or date information)
5 4-4-0 Dickson 272 9/1880 Orig Deleware & Hudson Canal Co #38
(no source or date information)
I copied the text on those three exactly as they are typed..including
Those three rosters conflict in two areas..
4-4-0 vs. 2-6-0
and D&H #37 vs. D&H #38.
They all agree on Dickson as the builder, b/n 272, and a build date of
however all of that could be incorrect..
I recieved an email from Chris Shepard, a former co-worker of mine, and
a member of the Bridge Line Historical Society (D&H) out in Albany,
and Chris has some D&H and Builders records that show that G&W
Number 5 was most likely a 2-6-0, not a 4-4-0.
also, "John B. Smith" AND Dickson b/n 272 as G&W Number 5 is
here are some records on the John B. Smith, Dickson b/n 272:
1st_Builder: Dickson Locomotive Works
Engine_Name: John B. Smith
Notes: Renumbered #129, 1899-00-00, off roster by 1907-00-00
If it actually left the D&H in 1907, that doesnt quite jive with
the G&W timeline..
because G&W bought their number 7 in 1905..so it doesnt make sense
the G&W would have bought number 7 in 1905,
then two years later get number 5 in 1907! all indications are the
G&W numbered every locomotive consecutively, as they arrived.
although it also says "off the roster by 1907"..which impiles it could
have left before 1907.
Chris thinks this could be our G&W Number 5 instead:
Both Dickson locos are clearly 2-6-0's, so I think its safe to conclude
the 4-4-0 info for G&W No. 5 is simply wrong..
which casts doubt on the rest of info for #5 in those rosters..
(if they didnt even get the wheel arrangement right, its likely the
rest of the data is also wrong)
Chris is quite confidant his D&H info is accurate, its all from
Bridge Line HS D&H records...
so im more inclined to trust the D&H info, rather than the old
hand-typed G&W rosters..
although without an actual photo, we cant be 100% confidant on anything
What we really need is a photo of G&W 5, then photos of the two
D&H locos in question!
thats unlikely..but possible..
So thats where things stand right now..